Is. I feel compelled to comment on this blog, because having recently read Ann Rules book, I feel exactly as you did. Hi Nanette, it is not a matter of being gullible. Considering that the marks on the lethal bullets did not fit the bullet fingerprinting found in the rifle, this gun switcheroo was a good save for the state, but did not support the theory presented at trial either. By the way, this not a Diane Downs is innocent blog. It is a lets examine the facts of the case with hindsight and try to explain some of the inconsistencies and the role of the media and crime writers. And lets wonder why the US think that letting people die in prison is the answer when most civilized countries have reached other conclusions. Sonny arrives at his restaurant and gives Dex, who is there, the night off. I guess Diane forgot to have that part engraved on the Unicorn. None of this is EVIDENCE of anything in regard to the murder trial, and not once did I read that it was. I never found a photo of James C. Jagger online. And to try not to bash Dianes Downs character and stick to evidence instead. That says it all. Strange how Jagger is pretty absent too except for the few photos where he is wrongly identified as Hugi. I am not sure. I agree about pregnancy and childbirth affecting women differently, and even having different effects for the same woman with different pregnancies. Susan, I dont know if there ever was a lawsuit against Ann Rule from the Fredericksons family. I am glad that some articles remain. She had been the bread winner for most of her marriage, and never wavered in her desire to bring financial stability to her family. But you are right to say that it is my site. She knew that Knickerbocker hated trouble of any kind, and thathe would have never come back to her after an ugly shooting where she had been wounded and her kids damaged. Did you read her statements to the parole board in 2008? It was cited that she keeps her emotions close to the vest. But they tended to ignore other important aspects. She attacked her husband and ripped his neck open in a jealous rage (Appendix 81, page 1520), tearing from his neck the gold chain he still wore from his first marriage (a gift from his first wife). These women did not show emotions and did not fold when asked to. Tracy, I never said she was in the car. please express them and I will print them. I am just curious. Do you remember about two days after that the two of you signing a lease on the apartment? a clinical lab to Dianes not being herself the day the Detectives pressured Diane to accompany them, the fact is Diane was clearly suffering the residual effects of that chemical poison in her system. What was the justification? And she clearly remembered the April 1983, rape that Mr. Downs would later refer to as love making. I bet the records are and always have been sealed regarding this aspect of the case. Page 26 of Case History. Bear in mind, that arm consisted of two SHARP bones, cutting at nerves and muscle (1 of bone had been blown out of the arm when the bullet shattered it, leaving three jagged holes in the flesh, out of which bulged torn muscle, and two wedge shaped bones facing each other like dueling swords). Brewer changed his mind. Nobody near to help. We will never know what really happened because the authorities acted too hastily and the media was a huge hindrance. Too bad she did not interview Diane or her family. In what world is that O.K. she flat out says, they are saying Duran Duran made her shoot her kids!..Im like HUHOkay now this is my favorite groupstill is at 44yrs old.I had to investigate this. I removed the dumb and crass part of your comment. But people never want to touch the high profile cases where the defendant is not likable. Any thoughts on how the detectives basically made up their mind right away in spite of numerous tips coming in? The absence of the gun or gun powder residues on Diane is fact. We make them president. (I know that wasnt brought up this time but it usually is.) Yes, but it is a fact that she was starting to say that she did not know who shot them when it happened. It became more about despising Diane Downs than investigating fairly. Are her parents still living (I know they were a few years ago)? http://www.manipulatedtrial.de/oregon_s_small_sacrifices_1603.pdf. GSR can easily fall off just by brushing your hand against a surface. So obviously, she was the prime suspect. 17:40, 1 MAR 2023. There have been behaviors that in the general course of events one may expect from a single parent that in a way have been falsely interpreted as being some form of evil.. But strangely, they took no photos of the crime scene and did not lift fingerprints from the drivers side of the car. Why did they let her daughter testify when she could not know who shot her and said so incessantly until they made her say what they wanted? Johns Hopkins said lockdowns reduced deaths by 0.2%. Of course, her mental health has deteriorated. It opened a huge can of worms regarding the real identity of the heart full of lies in this case. There were many problems with her trial and that matters. It is a research done on the case according to many sources. After completing his education and their short-lived high school romance, Steve Downs would move on to join the navy. He then left !his second wife, Charlene, to cohabitate with (and propose marriage to) Diane. http://www.dianedowns.com/Dr.%20Jamison%20affidavit.pdf. I research cases that in my opinion, were poorly tried. I enjoyed your take, and agree their are several reasons with this, and lets be honestevery other case ever prosecuted, to take pause and question but Diane continues to lie, make up brand new stories about people after her, and has made no moves to better herself in any way shape or form while shes been in prison, by her own admission. The tape is real and probably not admissible, but it seems to indicate that her testimony was coerced: Why is it not admissible? This does not make her innocent. you quoted what diane said as to what happened When she resisted, he shot her kids and struggled with her. N u pleaded guilty of murdering ur husband. But in their defense, they were told at trial what gun was used by Diane to shoot the kids and it must have been very difficult to overcome the emotions brought on by the words of little Christie even if it was pretty obvious during her testimony that she was confused and unreliable. Im glad you continued to look for more information as time went on. Why would anyone think Christie could remember the night of the shooting anyway?? Now Diane Downs did not say any of this, but told a hard to believe story, and then changed it from one to two masked guys, etc. She was fighting back and they did not like it. But as usual, it was slanted in the worst possible way. I was raised by an evil narcissist and have not only seen this kind of behavior before, but I have seen the face of the devil and it is a look of pure evil that gives me the creeps. This is a conflict of interest. Considering the lack of evidence, it seems that she was condemned mostly because of herinappropriatestatements and behavior. I found your blog to be very well written, informative and interesting. But Diane couldnt do that. But in this case, she had no blood on her body or her clothing. Their life without parole sentences are a dime a dozen and so randomly used that it beats any notion of justice for all. rudy francisco rifle analysis / ford employee profit sharing 2022 / why didn't steve downs get custody. There is no way that a jury would convict Diane today, based on the clearly coached testimony of Christie. Diane now had the title of dangerous offender. A trial should be based on facts and solid direct or circumstantial evidence. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPLkIcSzftE&ab_channel=DianeDownsArchives. Evidence from a ballistics expert. Her character was also too much on the forefront. Of course I saw movie first, then read the bookI wanted more, sadly early Internet days, there wasnt much out there, as far as info or video, picturesnothing really. She is a monster and belongs in prison for the rest of her life. This is an extremely tragic case and her children at the very least deserve justice. It deserved as much attention as a Unicorn, a song or all the other hearsay floating around because at least, they came from real people signing official documents. It was all about Charlene wanting KnickKnick ~wanting Dianeand Diane wanting a return to the peace she had before Knick asked his wife for a divorce. After all, Cheryl Downs is basically serving a life sentence with no possibility of parole for her mothers crime. She has come a long way. Just state that at the beginning of the blog. 1. Brewer changed his mind. 5. Diane Downs is no exception. Her lover and former husband testified against her but it did not represent evidence but character assassination. In this article, we can clearly see that Becky struggled and tried to justify her woes (maybe rightly so) by blaming it on her DNA. Spending 35 years incarcerated with time in isolation and often as a target is not going to improve mental health. In reality,the whole caseturned out to beno small sacrifice for Diane Downs, but it was a huge victory for the State, the media anda very lucrative deal for theQueen of crime fiction herself; Ann Rule. Thats the problem with high profile cases. Im sorry but your article is tosh. Christie was it though. Caught in the act, Hugi declared that Christie only said that because she was pressed for an answer. Seriously. Danny downs did indeed say a man shot him he also blamed a cartoon character. Sheriffs Deputy Roy Pond admitted in court that he had already concluded that Diane was guilty and stopped following leads on the orders of his sergeantthree weeks after the shooting. That conflict of interest alone would incline Christie to testify against her mother. They both would fall in love and decide they want to marry each other. So how she behaved at the time, should not have been a factor influencing the authorities. She did it. The police admitting on the stand that after 2 weeks, they stopped looking at suspects appears to be a fact. Standards of conduct are defined by state law, but they generally require a judge to avoid appearances of impropriety, such as avoiding deciding a dispute in which the judge is personally involved in the issue at stake or has a relationship to one of the parties.. Instead of shooting the little kids, why didnt the carjacker/killer (CK) simply shoot DD dead and take her car? The board said that her mental or emotional disorder makes her a danger to society. That doesnt make it true. I find it interesting for you to observe this because it should be more scientific and empirical today than it was in the 80s, but is it really? But you would know that if you had read the blog or info about the case. USA population seems to shun complex ethical problems preferring to deal with absolute evil in order to exert absolute power to crush it. I have worked in Child Protection for over 20 years and have extensive experience in this field domestically and internationally. In one of them, he knew her name and in another one, she had answered a call and been told to meet someone. Q. She learnedat a young age to keep her emotions in check and to always present a strong and brave front. How about dads side of the family? Leaving out a lot of info that should be included and presenting a very one sided take on these things. Rule made up stories to sell books and the rights to a movie. Conflicting reports say Downs also acted as a surrogate during her fourth pregnancy, giving birth to a daughter after her trial in 1984. Something that would never stand in court now. Plus, the circumstances of this charade were more than sinister. Yes, I had filed for divorce and then I canceled it. In Rules book, Diane is portrayed as a horrible selfish mother but her family and friends saw another version; she lovedher childrendearly and worked hard to be a good provider. I mean, yeah, I can see the no contact order with Diane. Her other daughter and son were severely injured. The jurors had doubts. So yes I think she did it, I think ration left her a long before she did itI think post pardum played in this, I think, she was scattered all over the map.againjust hearing it in her own words. If you had, you would clearly know that I do not claim her guilt or innocence. In 1979, headstrong Diane gave birth to Danny who was not Stevens biological son because he had no desire to be a father again. The circumstances surrounding the crimes against these innocent children demand to be used as evidence.. My comment to you Lise is about your reply to a previous comment where you say Diane should have been released by now regardless of her statements. Guilt or innocence no longer need to be debated in this case. Whats next? A group of ladies formed a group called HELDD which stands for Help Exonerate & Liberate Diane Downs. Children imitate their parents every move. She threw her keys yet was able to take off right away?? Yes, I had to go and sign the lease, yes, sir. How ironic that the court and cops were so quick to believe Steve Downs, but he gave up on his own children after the tragedy. But my beef is with the interference by the media, TV shows and Ann Rule. At the very least, she should have been released by now. The gun problem or the absence of blood and powder residues are not make believe. On June 2nd, 1983, Juvenile Court Judge Gregory Foote held a hearing to take Christie and Danny away from ALL blood family (thus isolating them). The fact that the DA adopted the children, since it was after the trial, is more of a gray area. Instead, they treated the Downs with great cruelty long after their daughter was incarcerated and they fought hard for them. She is nowhere near being paroled and if she admitted guilt, I am not even convinced they would release her. Foster Carers says either Australia or England to me. As a result, joint legal custody which means parents share in the decision-making 1 is becoming the default decision in many family court systems. I almost felt bad for her.that being she seemed so lost in her lies..she just hangs in limbo now. The way Christie was coached did not correspond to the reality of the direct evidence. While not evidence of guilt or innocence, it is certainly worth noting as part of the overall wrongs perpetrated during this fiasco of a trial and subsequent appeals. From reading the blog and my little understanding of this case, Ms Downs remains in custody as she is considered a dangerous offender. The circumstances surrounding the case were not enough to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. But her behavior became the most important factor in the investigation that followed. I was a patient of the doctor who worked so hard to save her childrens lives that night. The kids were shorted-changed. I say these things if I were on the jury. Mr. Downs must have had a bad feeling about Jagger because before trial, he tried to retain defense attorney Melvin Belli who had the reputation of fighting for his clients and to win all his cases. Their marriage was described as tumultuous, with Downs allegedly disappearing for long periods of time with her children. Christie could not speak but after some rehab, she said repeatedly that she did not know who shot them. As a suggestion, I would love to see a like or dislike button for each comment. Diane followed the detectives to their car. After parting ways, the couple would soon meet again in Arizona which would end up in them reigniting and reconnecting their fling. It does not contradict what I said, but what they said. If you read the blog, it is because of the lie told by prosecutor Hugi that ignored the assessment of her therapist Dr. Jamison and was condemned by the psychiatrist that they were convinced to find her guilty. ANNE RULES BOOK IS A LIE, ,ALL MADE UP CRAP. Hugi did not want that. In my blog, I was referring to the case of Liysa Northon whose suit was dismissed, but when Ann Rule tried to sue the Seattle Magazine, its editor and Northons husband for their article on her shoddy work, she lost and had to pay restitution. We could say that it was suggestive on his part, but considering how this trial was conducted, I tend to believe it happened. We dont know what the Hugi family was doing during this time, probably seeing the kids regularly and getting licensed and approved to take the kids home with them. They both fainted when they saw their dead child, but it did not count. The judge who took away her children presided over her criminal trial. The answers to those questions do not matter anymore. You hit the nail right on the head. They went after Diane at trial for tapping her foot when they played Hungry like the wolf. She had the right to a fair trial as much as anyone else out there. In case you did not read the blog: During Dianes examination at trial, Fred Hugi said in front of the jury, in the form of a question, that she had been diagnosed as a deviant sociopath. In fact, if someone was Hungry like the Wolf in this courtroom, it was a certain crime author who could already smell and taste the fortune coming her way after the publication of this juicy story. The next day, on June 16, 1983, CSD terminated Dianes visitations with her children altogether. Page 10 of Case History. Likewise, Charlene had no intention of letting Knick divorce her (Appendix 81, page 1518, line 15). She could not have been shot twice in the back while sitting up and have the bullet pierce her body to end up under the floorboard of the passenger side. And on this site, I mention that I take a restorative approach. Imagine knowing that your adoptive dad was responsible for putting your natural mom in the slammer? Knicks habit of turning on and turning off their relationship was known to Diane long before he admitted it in court a year later (Appendix 81, page 1520, line 21): Q. And if you claim your innocence, it obviously creates a vicious circle of not showing contrition. Why didnt they mention that he said a bad man and whatever else in his condition when they knew it was not possible? That towel should have been soaked in their blood not hers. Even if I have no doubt that Hugi loved the kids, we have to wonder why he adopted them two years later just when little Christie started saying she had no clue who shot them. People tend to forget that the group of young women hanging out with Manson were deeply engaged in serious drug use and totally out of their mind at the time. I mention in my blog that when her adoptive dad said that she was coerced and thats why she said she did not know who shot them, that of course she was because this is what she does when under pressure. They already had made up their mind that Diane was the perpetrator so they laughed off the idea of the bushy haired stranger. The problem was that they could not find the gun anywhere and they had nothing on Diane. Farrah had trouble with the law because of a passionate love affair with a movie director. They said so and were told to go back to deliberate. Nice to see this blog is still active in 2017, being a lot of groupsmessage boards and such, on subjects like this has no activity for years. There have many times children have had to testify against their parents so the fact that many cant believe it was ever allowed should honestly research more. And with hindsight, the fact that this young mother had a personality disorder probably brought a lot of drama to the mix. I am not from USA, never have been there, but my impression is that in USA media are far more powerful than the justice system and rational thinking is crushed by easy emotional moods, stereotypes and a hunger for violence coated in a pompous moral attitude. Diane found a full-time job with the U.S. Post Office in 1981, and was stationed in Chandler. The notions of humanity and rehabilitation have been left on the wayside long ago. http://www.salem-news.com/articles/july152013/midnight-med-tb-2.php There is only one major problem with your scenario. CMOH said 2 doses = minimal protection against infection . Its as if they cant control it. You do not have to agree with my general opinion outside of the facts of the case, but I would appreciate some comments on what matters; how this case was handled at trial and during the investigation. But in my opinion, it shows how Diane was disturbed and could also have found a better path in life if given the chance and the right support. Not giving you free reign here. I like to believe the best about people too but there are certain things that absolutely cant be ignored. You are wondering about the question why didn t steve downs get custody but currently there is no answer, so let kienthuctudonghoa.com summarize and list the top articles with the question. Not exclusively a USA trait, this happens also in many countries, but in a technologically advanced superpower like USA this attitude is more shocking, and maybe also more worldwide spread. 6. How do you expect the daughter to have any fair understanding of the situation or any decent contact with Dianes family when the people who have been calling her mother a murderer and a monster are dragging her in the media spotlight in the hope of writing another book or getting a new scoop, but all one sided. I do not believe that this type of abuse would occur today. It was kind of interesting to hear Mossimo Giannullis lawyer pleading to have his client sent home or put in general population because his mental health suffered drastically in solitary confinement because of covid after 56 consecutive days in solitary. She was still trying to extricate herself from a bad relationship with Steve Downs and was in no hurry to repeat the mistake. Right after the shooting, little Danny would ask the nurses, , Even Ann Rule in her book, keeps mentioning that, Every time, she said she did not know, they told her to think again and made suggestions. The role of Diane Downs was played by none other than Farrah Fawcett and her lover was played by Ryan ONeal who had been Farrahs love interest in real life. I especially loved reading everyones comments. It was faulty. It means you dont orphan the kids. She wanted a lawyer to defend her vigorously but the judge stopped her from getting good representation. Nevertheless, what was done seemed out of our hands and we could have no contact with them at all. As far as her innocence goes and the possibility of being paroled if she admitted her crime, Diane strongly maintains her innocence. In the nurses notes, she is described as in shock and unable to grasp the situation. Have you actually read the transcript of the trial?? I wanted to ask you something on this case. As you might know, Dianes father passed away after many years of anguish over the fate of his daughter. A. I was still living in the house, yes, sir. We already know that. Ms. Downs makes every effort to avoid emotional stimuli in order to reduce the demands made on her. She did not fit in and was now anxious to assert her independence and live her own life. more on crime HEARTBREAKING FIND The Office star's sister-in-law found dead 11 days after going missing 'DISGUSTING' They were not truth seekers and enjoyed a nice burning at the stake instead. Not speculative? I also found it curious that when Diane was first eligible for parole she was allowed to apply every 2 years thereafter until she either gets paroled or dies in prison. Late one May night in 1983, Diane Downs sped into an emergency room dropoff in Springfield, Ore., with a horrifying story to tell. But due to a law enacted in Oregon after she first became eligible for parole, she can now only apply every 10 years. At least two of those school mates reported Christies tortured confession to their mother If Diane was bipolar, the non-stop chatter would have been inherent to the situation: bipolar wasnt a diagnosable condition at the time of her first trial. But to convince this young and vulnerable girl to turn on her mother, they needed to isolate her from her family and work relentlessly on her confession.. But I think that in all fairness, many of them dont even know the details of the case and have watched Small Sacrifices instead. They did not like her attitude and she did not behave the way they expected a grieving mother to act. At what point during these meetings did she start calling him Dad? As her brother mentioned, it would not be that farfetched for his sister to stop for someone considering that she was a person who lacked impulse control and the era. Ffs maybe u should go back to writing screenplays. Some would say that Diane Downs was condemned because of her lies and inconsistencies, but I think that it was mostly because of her disturbing demeanor and brash personality. They lied about the ballistics. Just like Rule though, your blog is extremely biased, and reads almost as though she told you exactly what to write at times. Wednesday, March 1, 2023: Today on General Hospital, Obrecht is furious with both Liz and Scott, Finn offers to stand by Liz, and Sonny and Dex bond over a meal. They made her out to be a monster, but in Beckys case, it becomes redeemable. This same witness corroborated that Diane did not stop to do something suspicious or dispose of the gun. Jul 3, 2022; fotomontajes de amor para dos personas; Comments: pete walker complex ptsd website; Halo Infinite. Why am I not arguing the facts of the trial? Imagine the ones there for years. Makes no difference to me. One of the jurors finally declared we started as a group and finished as a group., He also said we dont want to put pressure on the group, we dont want to end up bickering. Gregory Foote who had denied access to the children by all blood relatives and given their care over to the State, was promoted from juvenile to senior judge to preside over the trial of Diane Downs.. If she was the shooter, it had to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. I still remember my mother picking up the paper and seeing the headline. Not an easy situation for him as I would imagine. Her husband turned out to be a player and a very irresponsible guy who did not really love her. All the reports and even the warden thought she was not a threat anymore. Doesnt change the fact that it was still a conflict of interest. Christie Downs was eight-years old when she was injured and nine-years old when she testified. 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