If its a hunting rifle does it really matter? Trustpilot. For reasons that I can't explain (though perhaps have something to do with me eating paint chips as a kid), I have an obsession with 3k FPS muzzle velocity. The 7 SAUM offers better performance than the 300 Win Mag in a package that is almost as small as the 6.5 Creedmoor. And at sensible hunting distances even a basic MPBR hunter should have find more than 90 percent of his shooting opportunities covered by the Rem Mag. Of course, this was an overreaction, but at the time millions were convinced the new 7mm was the do-all-end-all of deer/elk/moose and even bear hunting cartridges. Hper du kan nyte shoppingen din her! Will be running as a long action so no worries about magazine issues. If barrel quality is equally consistent, run-of-the-mill accuracy should exceed that of most rifles chambered for older 7mm cartridges. 7mm brass is simple to find and the caliber is an absolute hammer on deer/elk. It made sense for me. Also, is it worth getting a new rifle in the 280AI when I already have a 270 Win? This is Not a New Thing. The 7mm has a longer barrel and is heavier. If you go the Nosler route, look into the freebore for the barrel. To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. Instead, the Hornady-developed RCM case was used to produce the 6.5 PRC. Regardless what rifle cartridges were initially designed for, they can be perfect for other applications, which suggests the 7mm PRC could be your next do-all big game hunting cartridge. loads beautifully, delivering them sub-MOA out to 1,500 yards, then a mile just to say I did it. It will never be as popular as a 6.5PRC or 28nosler, but it has a purpose. A 24" nosler should still outrun a 24" rem mag (all other things equal). Pretty sure the can thing is a complete game changer on optimal barrel length. Handloaders can take advantage of all these, but most commercial ammunition features 120-grain to 178-grain bullets. At SAAMI specs you really hinder the performance, need a little extra freebore to seat the bullets out further. My vote would be 7RM as well. It may not display this or other websites correctly. 6.5 PRC or .28 Nosler. I have a 7 LRM in a DTA, I've been pretty happy with it. First, notice that kinetic energy remains above the elk killing minimum of 1,500 ft-lbs at 700 yards. Dies, brass etc are way easier to find for the PRC. Jan 1, 2018 2,001 4,006 51 Muscle Shoals, Alabama. Bonus benefits with the 7mm Rem. Creedmoor Sports $ 116.95 . Just FYI before going 7-330NM, check out Long Range Hunting, there is a real long thread on there about the 28 Nosler with the 195 Bergers, just google it. JavaScript is disabled. Retumbo. Any opinions, thoughts, or experiences with either? These are some impressive numbers. Like most of our early magnums, this is based on the belted .375 H&H Magnum case. But if you want to win long range target competitions, the 7 PRC is your best bet. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. How bout building a 280AI. rick smith. John Whiddons dies are the nicest Ive ever used. The .28 Nosler and 7mm RUM push the same bulletsjust faster. That was the 7x57mm re-branded for the non-metric British Rigby rifle. performance without stepping up to a full magnum length cartridge and rifle action was Noslers goal. Were I seeking the absolute top-end, extreme-range performance and willing to carry a 28 inches of barrel, Id look harder at the RUM. I would also add that if you are not going to optimize the rifle to get the most out of the 28 Nosler just stick with the tried and true 7mm Rem mag. Here are some specifications of interest to those reloading the 7mm WSM cartridge: bullet diameter .284", maximum COL 2.860", maximum case length 2.100". Remington claims a MV of 3175 fps and ME of 3133 ft. lbs. ELD-Match zeroed for MPBR on a 6-inch target zone. I have a 6.5 saum that is my go to long range coues rifle and it is my favorite rifle but not my first choice for an elk cartridge. I would not be overly concerned with it only being for hunting. We ain't raisen no yuppy girls! Interesting. SAUM shows that 56.0 grains of IMR 4350 powder will drive their 140 grain bullets to a MV of 2943 fps, and 60.0 grains of IMR 4350 is good for a MV of 3146 fps. If you want a shorter barrel, look into the 7 SAUM, 7 RM and even the 7-08 , they'll all get it done nicely. Sounds like from above that ADG is making 7 MAX brass, which is what Rich told me last year would be happening. And in the chambers of their rifles. Subscribe to OL+ for our best feature stories and photography. HOWEVER, I don't follow the logic of having to use a 26" barrel if you go the Nosler route. Choices have changed since I made the decision to go with a 7 WSM 10-15 years ago. Categories Ryan Pierce is a gunsmith, Piercison Rifles, and he is the first person I saw that was playing with the extra freebore. They are all throwing the same bullets more than hard and fast enough for anything. Nosler really hampered the performance of that round with the 3.340" COAL length. You say it's long action. Mag. With RL26 I stuck a case in the chamber @ 3150fps. Winchester claims a muzzle velocity (MV) of 3,225 fps with a 140 grain bullet for their 7mm WSM cartridge; the claimed muzzle energy (ME) is 3,233 ft. lbs. Unless you are shooting the 180's at long range, the 7 Rem is enough gun. Absolutely nothing special or difficult about reloading belted cases. I have hunted with a 7mm Rem Mag and a 7mmSTW. $81.95. Mid-size 7mm cartridges like 7x57 Mauser, 7mm-08 Rem., 284 Win., and 280 Rem. IMR 4350 was the most accurate powder tested. Buy Now. It will shoot as fast as a 7mm SAUM and brass is easy to find. Should be 7.5lbs scoped or so. Now I am waffling between the 6.5x284 Norma and the 300 PRC. Its likely to be as popular in the 21st century as the Rem Mag was in the 20th. runs at 2940 fps and the .280 AI runs at 2850 fps). But if you suspect a 26-inch barrel might be a bit unwieldy, waitll you haul around a 28-inch. The lighter, shorter 7mm bullets are preferred in these short case magnums. Brass 1 - 12 of 73 Products Sort By Position 220 Swift Premium Brass (50ct) $108.95 6.5mm PRC Bulk Unprepped Brass (100ct) Out of stock $135.49 6.5mm PRC Premium Brass (50ct) Out of stock $118.95 27 Nosler Premium Brass (25ct) Im going to run a tikka action/stock trigger with spring upgrade with a 22in carbon barrel and a light weight scope. The 28 Nosler uses .284 diameter bullets while the 300 Win Mag uses larger .308 bullets. yea Im leaning more towards the 28 just cause I dont really want to fire form, I know its not the end of the world but just one more step. ELD-Match, Noslers 185-gr. Lets compare three cartridges that do that; the old 7mm Rem. While testing some upgraded M700 Remington rifles at FTW Ranch last summer, I simultaneously test drove the pre-release 7mm PRC from Hornady. Hornadys 7mm PRC with its high B.C. I also kicked around the idea of 7max, but can always go that route later. Fill this with 88 grains of slow burning Reloder 33 powder and, according to the Nosler Reloading Guide 8, you should get 3,211 fps from a 26-inch barrel. Just cant decide what billets and powder to run. The additional reach is tempting, but Id pay the price with a 26-inch, fairly heavy barrel. Since this rifle will be used sparingly maybe I can afford to go with something a little harder on the barrel. Dec 7, 2019 #14 ; 7 mag easy. without laser assistance. Everyone who knows what they're doing headspaces off of the shoulder anyways, and you should not be doing load development with virgin cases, you want to fire form them first so the belt is a moot point. I think if I was buying a hunting rifle, and just wanted to keep a few high quality boxes of factory ammo around, the I would go 7Rm. With a 28" I got 2950~2975 with a 195 and 3150 with a 180. We are now conversant in 6mm, 6.5mm, 7.62mm and especially 7mm. 7mm Rem Short Action Ultra Magnum Load Data 120 Grain 140 Grain 150 Grain 160 Grain 168 Grain 175 Grain 185 Grain PRIVACY USE ORDER PROCESSING SERVICE & RETURNS Copyright 2023 NOSLER INC. And more recoil. And that means more powder. Buy Now. Reactions: Zeroit. Great performance, easy to neck a case down and a simple bushing change gets you great dies. Never saw the need for the added horse power of the 7 STW so I sold it and stayed with the 7 mm Rem Mag. In the past, running 284 Win (reaching back to Raton, 2013), I would have said that (for me at least) a rechamber would be in order for a straight 284 around the 2000 round mark. The difference might surprise you. You must log in or register to reply here. They explain in part the enduring popularity of the 7mm Rem. 7 RUM Choose an option 6.5 PRC 6.5 SAUM 7 SAUM 7 REM MAG 7 RUM 28 NOSLER 300 WIN MAG 300 NORMA MAG 300 PRC 300 RUM 30 NOSLER 338 LAPUA 338 RUM 338 EDGE 300 WSM 375 RUM 7 REM MAG BRIGHT 338 RUM BRIGHT 30 NOSLER BRIGHT. ADG 28 Nosler. ADG 300 . Mag. ADG 6.5 SAUM Brass. If youre going to tackle an elk or mule deer with a 180-grain bullet at around 2,900 fps, the 7mm version in that bullet weight will shoot flatter, drift less, and put more energy on target than the .308 version. Mag., 7mm RUM, 28 Nosler,) you dont need a 7 PRC. A .208 AI would be about the same as the .284 Win loaded right. Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 280 Remington Ackley Improved 40-Degree Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Mag Box N N2TRKYS Well-Known Member Joined (Aim for center and bullet will not rise more than 5 inches nor fall more than 5 inches within the MPBR. The LRM feeds perfectly, much better than the SAUM. The completed case holds 90 grains of water with our 175-grain boattail spire point bullet seated. Barrel life will also be lower than the other two. While the 7 Rem Mag has been built on everything from 1:8 twist to 1:10, most spin 1:9. The 28 Nosler has a muzzle energy of 3470 ft-lbs, and the 30 Nosler has muzzle energy at 3639 ft-lbs. Just to add another fly in the ointment, but another 7mm to consider, is the 7mm Blaser Mag. Hornady 7mm PRC overall length matches that of the 30-06 and 270 Win., so it fits standard length actions. By 1,000 yards the PRC has nearly a 2-foot drop advantage and 14-inch windage advantage. If you dont own a 7mm of any kind and want one strictly for hunting, you might as well get the PRC version. 195s topped out @ 2950 w/ N570 using a drop tube to fit powder, that primer pocket was loose after. #1 Postby Marty Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:38 am. More than 1,900 ft-lbs of energy at 700 yards. bullets, but not the longest and certainly not such long numbers as Hornadys 180-gr. Recreational and practical applications abound with these .22 caliber handguns. ADG 28 Nosler. Fill this brass case with smokeless powder instead of water and, according to some handloading guides, 62.5 grains of Reloder 22 should shove a 175-grain bullet from a 24-inch barrel 2,870 fps. 224 Valkyrie. The first question you have to ask when designing a new cartridge is, "WHY?" The 7LRM (Long Range Magnum) is a non-belted case that has the same overall length as the 7mm Rem Mag with a standard magnum case head. These bullets are super tempting to run at 3200+. bullet wins the wind deflection category. Copyright Ron Spomer Outdoors document.write(new Date().getFullYear()) During processing the large, soft grains are broken down into smaller ones, which makes for a harder material. Articles may contain affiliate links which enable us to share in the revenue of any purchases made. The Hodgdon technicians used Winchester cases and primers to develop their loads, and they were chronographed in a 24 inch barrel. I already have a few 264 caliber rifles. I've mostly shot 180 Berger's and its been really accurate. How does the 280 AI do with 180 grain bullets compared to the 7mm SAUM? Compared to the ballistics of the new Rem. Short, light barrels just dont do justice to high temperature, high velocity, high pressure, overbore magnum cartridges. Also note that some guys are reporting pressure issues at speeds other are reporting work with the 28. I also see the counter that belted cases are reloaded just like non belted and it is a non issue. Another vote for 280ai if building a light weight hunt rig all the horsepower needed close to 7rm but standard action with room for an extra round. However, if youre hoping to win a target shooting contest at 600 yards, the 3 inches less wind deflection and 4 inches less drop from the PRC give you a leg up. Supporter. It's often put head-to-head with other popular calibers like the 7mm Rem. Handloaders can find .284" bullets (the diameter that all 7mm cartridges digest) as light as 100 grains, perfect for pasture rodents, coyotes, and even deer. Another indicates 74-grains of Hodgdon 870 will churn up 2,954 fps. I go back and forth in my head 1000 times on choices, then I will decide on what I know that I want, then I'll see something else and go back to the drawing board. Its designed to send long, sleek, high B.C. Check out the 10 mph right-angle wind deflection at 400 yards: just 7.82 inches. Foot of the Big Belt Mountains near Townsend MT. ADG 7 SAUM Brass. If you're only going to be shooting 160's, I think the regular 7 Rem Mag would definitely be a more economical choice. Engineers made three modifications that ensured popularity: they shortened the case to fit standard-length actions. Hodgdon reloading data for the 7mm WSM shows that the 140 grain Nosler Partition spitzer bullet can be driven to a MV of 2979 fps in front of 58.0 grains of H4350 powder. In shorter barrels, performance declines dramatically. Mag. The 7mm PRC in center is the same overall length as the 7mm Rem Mag and achieves the same muzzle velocities, but does so in a fatter case with no belt. I also kicked around the idea of 7max, but can always go that route later. SAUM can be found on the Rifle Cartridge Page. Im in the market to start a new build. I also use and like my .284 Win on a long action. RDF, or Bergers 190-gr. M700 shooting 180-gr. But they didnt shorten anything. When making your choice, don't factor in component or ammo availability. ( They are sitting on the shelf waiting , though.) Howdy. 7rm for me. ABLR in the 28 Nosler. I tested the 7 STW, 7 RUM, 7 Rem mag, 7-300 win mag and even a 7 Lapua. The sample Hornady 180-gr. I love 7mm, just wish it would modernize a bit. You are using an out of date browser. Case has a good balance of capacity for the bullets I tested (180'd and 195's) Plenty of usable powder options. But if your wanting the long action anyway, I'd go with the 280ai. But then none have put it all together quite like Hornadys new 7mm PRC (Precision Rifle Cartridge.) Mag. Smaller-framed or young shooters generally consider the cartridge as having high recoil, but its recoil is manageable for experienced large-framed shooters to be able to shoot it regularly. Great extraction and wide nodes with many powders. factory 7mm Rem. You might think Remington started the 7mm cartridge trend in 1962 with its famous 7mm Remington Magnum, but by then the 7mm Mauser was already well known. The factory offerings for ammo hold no weight with me, but that probably plays a role in many people's decisions. 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